Real Life section maintenance (2024)

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Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread.

This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.

Common problems include:

Conversation on the Main Page
Flame Bait
Squicky content
Impossible in Real Life

Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.

If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.

If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.

Before adding to the crowner:

The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
There must be support from others in thread.
Any objections should be addressed.
Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.

When adding to the crowner:

Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).

In order for a crowner to pass:

Must have been up for a minimum of a week
There must be a 2:1 ratio
If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page

Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.

As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.

Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.

After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.

NRLEP tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

LRLEO tag:

%% Trope was declared Administrivia/LimitedRealLifeExamplesOnly via crowner by the Real Life Maintenance thread: [crowner link]
%%The following restrictions apply: [list restriction(s) here]
%%https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13350380440A15238800

Notes:

This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.

Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies

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#15976: May 14th 2024 at 4:25:18 PM

Throw the Dog a Bone is a narrative trope where the Butt-Monkey gets a break. Butt-Monkey is NRLEP, and it feels like this should be too?

Mrph1 MOD he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies

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#15977: May 15th 2024 at 12:11:31 AM

New crowner is pinned.

What do we want to add to it? Conscious there's a bit of a backlog on the thread.

animuacid Animu from Suginomiya district Since: Jan, 2024

Animu

#15978: May 15th 2024 at 12:21:21 AM

The crowner doesn't show up for me

But I think the first suggestion was Hijacked by Ganon.

Edited by animuacid on May 15th 2024 at 9:22:33 PM

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies

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#15979: May 15th 2024 at 1:27:18 AM

Way back in Feb ~LoveBird posted this:

Would you say the "Country Takes Over The World" tropes are too controversial? (although Japan Takes Over the World has no RL examples). But the other three (China Takes Over the World, America Takes Over the World, and Russia Takes Over the World) do, and some of them seem pretty ROCEJ problematic (especially the "Religion" example about China.)

Take Over the World is already NRLEP as "too controversial". All of these are confirmed as its subtropes (as is Eurabia, which has been declared NRLEP in a separate conversation).

On that basis, I think the decision's already been made - they inherit the parent trope's NRLEP status - and we can mark them accordingly without a crowner.

Any objections to that logic?

WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)

Big Catch, Sparkle Edition

#15980: May 15th 2024 at 9:43:43 AM

Anyone mind if I change the explanation for Never Live It Down on the NoRealLife.Tropes L To O page? "Gossip" hardly seems accurate when the real issue was that the real life examples were inherently misuse by the nature of the trope, to the point where it got decided in TRS rather than this thread.